If you think that having pods of 10 cops on every street corner downtown is more security, then Toronto Caribana ’10 must be one of the safest places in Earth. I mean seriously, it is one thing to have security, it is entirely another thing to have group of 10 cops “eyeing down” every group of black males that are walking on the streets.

Last night, while driving through downtown Toronto to see the madness that engulfs the city on the start of the August long weekend – I was amazed at the overall police presence in downtown Toronto. I’ve never seen so many cops on each corner of the sidewalk or riding bikes or or horses or on top of buildings with sniper rifles (ok, the last part I made up).

I’ve also come to the realization that I truly hate being in Toronto for Caribana weekend – not because I hate Caribana – I mean why should I … a small island of 1.2 million people gave rise to this festival here – I don’t care what Jamaicans, Bajans or Guyanese have to say – Caribana is a Trini/Caribbean thing! I dislike Caribana because I don’t like when any festival overruns the city and causes me inconvenience (although I love being in any other city for their festivals – I’m good like that), hence I’ve disliked the following things in the city:

Back to the cops … yet another reason to avoid the Caribana madness … although I always wonder why the Pride parade never seems to see this type of overwhelming police presence.

 

 

This little hidden gem in the depths of Scarborough was pretty hard to find. When I say hidden, it doesn’t show up on Google maps and the little strip mall where Silvie’s is located has no signage to indicate that Silvie’s is there.

Silvie’s is definitely not a high end establishment. Typical West Indian roti shop, with spartan walls, a couple Soca/Chutney flyers for upcoming concerts and hand written menu on the wall.

Cultural Note:
One thing that will be strange to non “Trinis” will be the act of asking if they have something. Hence if they have doubles and Curried  Beef on the menu, it doesn’t necessarily mean that they will have it on the menu. This is typical of West Indian places – just because something is written on the menu, doesn’t mean that it is actually going to be served that day. Get in the habit of asking if something is available without any actual assumption of availability.

In true West Indian style … the Sunday special of Salted fish with Tomatoes was not available … on a goddamn SUNDAY!! (see bottom right hand side of the picture for Sunday’s specials)

The general details : There isn’t a high number of vegetarian options – I would attribute this to low turnover. As Silvie’s is a bit hidden away, it doesn’t have the popularity of a Mona’s or Barb’s .. but for a Guyanese owned roti shop, it definitely has a very tasty roti and curry. There is a small menu, which is a good sign, since there doesn’t seem to be a huge level of foot traffic – so they would cook and make everything daily. The customer service was very good and Silvie’s Trini friend who was at the counter was friendly and chatty, yet once she served us, she didn’t linger on the front – this I like, since it is typical of what you would get in Trinidad. People lingering around you, construes eavesdropping. They also provided knives and forks – I’m not impressed by this, since roti is hand food – but my partner was impressed – hence it rates a mention. There is a table and a counter to eat at and enjoy your roti on the spot. On particular impressive item was the COLD Sodas.

Roti is something that requires a really, really cold soda (Red or Banana Solo preferably). At most roti shops in Toronto, they will serve a pathetic, half-assed bottle of soda. It’s as though owners think we don’t notice these things. I absolutely hate a semi-cold bottle of soda with my roti – in fact, it will affect my enjoyment and decrease a ranking by 10 points. At Silvie’s, you can get fresh mauby or sorrel (“beastly cold” … to the point that there is ice in the drink) or a soda (again really, really cold). 

1. Roti: (37/45 points)

On our visit, we found that the roti skin was freshly made and more importantly, tasted like it was freshly made. Unlike other places, it didn’t reek of unwrapped plastic or other foreign scents. The roti skin was large and allowed typical eating i.e. opening out the roti skin and breaking off pieces from the outside to sop up the tasty curry inside.

However, the roti skin did show one mark of heavy handedness, and this would probably have to do with a Guyanese woman making the roti skin versus a Trini woman making the roti skin, since it is something I have noticed. The overall roti skin was bit thicker than normal and unevenly cooked in places, but this was to compensate for the over filling of the roti skin with split peas.

The quantity of ground split peas left over after eating the roti skin (shown above) is far too much and while some diners might like the extra split peas, it doesn’t add to overall flavour of the roti skin. This would be something that Silvie should fix – add less split peas and gain more in terms of a thinner, silkier roti skin.

2. Curry: (46/55 points)

We sampled a chicken and a beef roti and both were extremely good. Our visits were around lunch time on a weekend. As for the curried chicken/potato, the combination was good, the chicken was well cooked, with enough curry and colour to it.. The curried potatoes were decent with a balanced taste, consistency, it was not spicy at all, but it wasn’t bland either, with enough geera (cumin) in the curry mixture. Geera is essential in the curry powder mixture as it gives that warm, nutty flavour and aroma. This is a bit surprising to me, since Guyanese curry tends to be a lot heavier with too much geera and the addition of Garam Masala powder – which overpowers everything.

 The curried beef was excellent in that it had a balanced taste, hints of fresh seasoning (Culantro/Chadon Beni), good color and consistency. Even the cut of beef used in the curry was a good cut – not too stringy or fatty.  Both curries were heated up on the stove and served blisteringly hot – which is another excellent mark – something to look for. Overall, both the curries (chicken and beef) and potato were excellent.

3. Condiments: (10/20 points)

Trinidadian food is all about the condiments. The reason that doubles aren’t as good in Toronto, is simply because no doubles shop in Toronto will have 5 or more different chutneys (Hot Mango, Sweet Mango, Tamarind, Pommecythere, Chadon Beni aka Green sauce, Kutchela, etc) on demand.

Silvie’s has pepper sauce for roti, and I was offered without having to ask for it. However, as the shop is Guyanese owned, there was no kutchela (“Guyanese don’t have mango – only rice land -  so how will they know about Kutchela” not my words, but my Trini server’s words .. nuff said)

4. Overall: (18/20 points)

The overall presentation of the rotis that we got at Silvie’s was good. They serve a decent roti with a very tasty and excellent curry and good meat. If you don’t live in the east end (Scarborough and environs), it is a trek to get out to Silvie’s .. from my downtown-ish location, it was about 35 mins for a $6 dish. The bill for two people for two rotis and soft drinks (Diet Coke and Red Solo) was $15.09 – which is an excellent price point.

Hence a composite score of all factor, standardized to a score out of 100%

A score of 85% for a roti is excellent. Overall, this was much better than I expected. So it is definitely a recommendation if you’re looking for a excellent roti, that provides a bellyfull at a very reasonable price point. I would definitely go out of my way to try a beef or chicken roti then and I’m definitely going back to try the Shrimp roti, even though I am probably setting up myself for disappointment - Curried Shrimp is probably the most nuanced West Indian curry dish to make. Silvie’s is definitely “roti-run” approved!!!

  • Location: 2586 Birchmount Rd.,Toronto, Ont. M1T 2M5
  • Telephone: (416)-292-8779
  • Store Hours: MON - SAT 10:00am  – 9:00pm | SUN 11am – 3pm
  • Website : Silvie Roti Shop
  • External Reviews:
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    In Downtown Toronto, finding a decent roti isn’t the easiest task ever. With the combination of higher rents, overhead costs, lower Trini populations (unlike the suburbs) and more food variety, it’s tough to keep your head above water. Danforth Roti Shop reminds me of “higher end” roti shops in Trinidad … in that there is cheap fluorescent lighting, hand written signs, yellowed advertisments and maps.

    Unlike more roti shops in Toronto, they don’t have a visible kitchen. This to me is a bit of a pet peeve, since I like to see what people are doing with my roti. In fact, Trinis in general like to see what is being done with their food – blame a culture of Indian and African superstition – there are many superstitions around black magic and food, but that is another article.

    Danforth Roti Shop on Restaurantica

    As usual for more details on the overall criteria and scale, please see this post.

    The general details : There are a number of vegetarian options but ask what is fresh for the day. They have a rather large menu, which is a good sign, but I always question the freshness of the food, since there doesn’t seem to be a huge level of foot traffic. The customer service was pleasant, and once they served us, the counter staff didn’t linger on the front – this I like, since it is typical of what you would get in Trinidad. People lingering around you, construes eavesdropping. They also provided knives and forks – I’m not impressed by this, since roti is hand food – but my partner was impressed – hence it rates a mention. While there is a table and a counter to eat at, this is primarily a take out establishment, like most roti shops in Toronto.

    1. Roti: (37/45 points)

    On our visit, we found that the roti skin was freshly made and more importantly, tasted like it was freshly made. Unlike other places, it didn’t reek of unwrapped plastic or other foreign scents. The roti skin was huge and allowed typical eating i.e. opening out the roti skin and breaking off pieces from the outside to sop up the tasty curry inside.

    Overall the roti was larger than average, decently made split peas inside, cooked evenly and quite thin. The only main issue was that the roti was served at a lukewarm temperature. Also notice the “Banana Solo”, a Trini soft drink – always a good sign for any roti shop.

    2. Curry: (38/55 points)

    We sampled two chicken rotis and it was decent. Our visits were around lunch time on a weekend. As for the curried chicken/potato, both were decent and tasty. The curried potatoes were decent with a balanced taste, consistency, however it was extremely bland to both reviewers and there was too much geera (cumin) in the curry mixture. Geera is essential in the curry powder mixture as it gives that warm, nutty flavour and aroma.

    The curried chicken was also quite average, in that it had a balanced taste, hints of fresh seasoning (Culantro/Chadon Beni), good color and consistency,  and the same complaint about the curry was being “raw” on the meat, hinting that the curry powder itself wasn’t cooked enough prior to the chicken being introduced or that there was just too much curry powder in the mix.  Another peeve is that both curries were lukewarm after being served which is a major negative. There is no Trinidadian that would like a warm or cold curry with roti, so why serve it to the public. Overall, it was a decent curry.

    3. Condiments: (7/20 points)

    Trinidadian food is all about the condiments. The reason that doubles aren’t as good in Toronto, is simply because no doubles shop in Toronto will have 5 or more different chutneys (Hot Mango, Sweet Mango, Tamarind, Pommecythere, Chadon Beni aka Green sauce, Kutchela, etc) on demand.

    Danforth’s has kutchela and pepper sauce for roti, but they don’t offer it unless you know about it and ask for it. Obviously, if a roti shop sells doubles/pholourie, then they will usually have some type of chutney, but without offering it as standard fare, then it is useless. So in that manner, they lose points even though they have more condiments than the average Toronto Roti Shop

    4. Overall: (20/20 points)

    The overall presentation of the rotis that we got at Danforth’s was good. They serve a huge, well filled roti with a decent curry and decent meat. It is also a downtown establishment that charges a very fair price for a decent roti, unlike other downtown locations.

    Hence a composite score of all factor, standardized to a score out of 100%

    A score of 79% for a roti is a good score but the score is a bit skewed lower because they didn’t offer the condiments as standard. Overall, for a downtown location, this is much better than I would expect. So it is definitely a recommendation if you’re looking for a decent roti, that will fill a small country with decent curry. Would I go out of my way for Danforth’s Roti … probably not. However as it is downtown and convenient, I would definitely go back to try other things on their menu and probable another roti.

    • Location: 2844 Danforth Avenue, Toronto, ON M4C 1M1
    • Telephone: (416) 690-1308
    • Store Hours: MON - SAT 11:00am  – 8:00pm
    • Website : None
    • External Reviews: Danforth Roti Shop on Restaurantica
     

    As the first in an ongoing challenge to truly find Toronto’s best roti, I started with Mona’s Roti Shop. In the Trinidadian community, roti and doubles are by far the two most popular take-out options.

    In fact, if you ask any non West Indian about Trinidad, they’ll probably tell some great story about roti and curry at some Trinidadian family friend’s house. In trying to find the best roti in Toronto, rather than listening to the hype of every Ravi, Lalchan & Harrilal on the online forums saying that they know the best roti is at “XXXX Roti & Doubles shop”, I’ve tried to apply some systematic criteria to differentiate the roti in Toronto and the GTA.

    I’ve differentiated a roti in terms of four main components:

    1. Roti Skin
    2. Curry
    3. Condiments
    4. Overall Combination

    For more details on the overall criteria and scale, please see this post.

    The general details : There are a number of vegetarian options with fillings like squash, chick peas, spinach, eggplant and the ubiquitous potato. The customer service was good and pleasant, which is more than I usually expect in a Trinidadian establishment.

    1. Roti: (35/45 points)

    Overall, over two visits and two pairs of roti skins, we noticed a particularly offputting practice. At Mona’s, the roti is wrapped in plastic. This means that it is made in the morning or the prior day. Upon ordering, the roti is then unwrapped from the plastic, put into another plastic container and filled with curry/veggies/meat.  The roti is then dressed with some basic pepper sauce and then heated in the microwave. Eating semi-stale roti skins is just not a preference of mine, especially when one considers that the splitpeas used to fill the roti skin is often boiled and fried even before the making of the roti skin itself. 

    I was not impressed with the size of the roti skin, the taste of the roti skin or even the serving temperature of the roti skin itself. There were separate orders of roti for boneless chicken and boneless goat. More importantly, anyone who serves a roti skin at a lukewarm temperature really doesn’t care about the customer.

    2. Curry: (40/55 points)

    We sampled the goat and chicken roti. Our visits were at 6pm and to be fair, this close to closing time. That being said the goat meat was unseasoned, heavy with thick dark curry powder, and quite gamey. Typically, when Goat meat is cooked/curried in Trinidad, it is seasoned and washed many times over to get rid of that gamey taste. The manner in which the goat is killed also has a factor in the taste of the meat, since the more blood that remains in the meat, the gamey it will taste. Both reviewers tried the goat roti and it was almost inedible because the frozen, unseasoned goat meat was so gamey on tasting. A truly terrible Goat meat roti and I would not ever order this at Mona’s again or ever recommend this to anyone.

    As for the curried chicken/potato, both were decent and tasty. The curried potatoes were decent with a balanced taste, good color and consistency, however it was extremely bland to both reviewers (one of whom has a North American palate, and even to her it was quite bland.)  The curried chicken was also quite average, in that it had a balanced taste, hints of fresh seasoning (Culantro/Chadon Beni), good color and consistency, however the curry was rather “raw” on the meat, hinting that the curry powder itself wasn’t cooked enough prior to the chicken being introduced or that there was just too much curry powder in the mix.  The main complaint about the serving was that both curries were lukewarm after being served which is a major negative.

    Overall, both curries were decent and average.

    3. Condiments: (10/20 points)

    Trinidadian food is all about the condiments. The reason that doubles aren’t as good in Toronto, is simply because no doubles shop in Toronto will have 5 or more different chutneys (Hot Mango, Sweet Mango, Tamarind, Pommecythere, Chadon Beni aka Green sauce, Kutchela, etc) on demand.

    Having the right condiments with a roti also will add significantly to the overall taste of the roti/curry. Hence, if Mona’s had a good “pepper sauce” to compliment the bland curry served up, then we could have given it a better score on the Heat Index, but the pepper sauce served was yet another bland insipid concoction that did nothing for the curry.

    Also offering condiments without prompting is a factor, since non Trinidadians will not know what to ask for, or what’s available without prompting from the servers.

    4. Overall: (13/20 points)

    The overall presentation of the rotis that we got at Mona was typical, except that for the price they charge for a roti is a bit excessive in comparison to other roti shops in Toronto or the GTA. In fact, I would expect that a roti in Scarborough to be cheaper than a roti found in Downtown Toronto. The roti was undersized compared to other roti shops I’ve been to. It also wasn’t a super stuffed roti compared to other rotis I’ve had.

    Hence a composite score of all factor, standardized to a score out of 100%

    A score of 77% for a roti is highly average. For all the years that Mona’s has been around and all the publicity that she has on the website, one would expect much better for a supposed “ambassador” for roti in Toronto. I’ve eaten a couple times at Mona’s in Marabella, Trinidad … and it was by far a superior roti, but I suspect because in Trinidad, people actually know roti and wouldn’t tolerate the mundane fare that passes for roti here.

    • Location: 4810 Sheppard Ave. East Unit 209, Toronto On M1S 4N6
    • Telephone: 416-412-1200
    • Store Hours: MON - SAT 11:00am  – 8:00pm
    • Website : Mona’s Roti Shop
    • External review links: Mona's Roti-Caribbean Food on Restaurantica
     

    In the newest and latest version of the Roti Ranking Scale … I’ve applied it to two restaurants that D and I ate at this weekend. Danforth Roti Shop and ACR Doubles and Roti in Toronto.

    The first calibration of the scale was done based on factors described in the scale. BTW for those who think I have waaayyy too much time on my hands … my thinking was before I actually put out my critical thoughts on BlogTO and get absolutely slaughtered by a bunch of yee-haws and white people who never ate a good roti in their lives not too mention, those Trini refugees who want to support their “fam-a-lees” business and reputation.

    My logic was that by creating a relatively objective scale, it would diffuse the hate mail I would get from the community when I posted a bad ranking, since Toronto is full of absolutely garbage roti and Guyanese/Jamaican/Bajans who buy Trinidadian made roti skins and use their own “Jerk Chicken”, “Island curry” etc. I mean Toronto is a place, where some joker actually tried to put “Thai Coconut Curry” into a roti … like WDMC?

    Now how does this apply to Travel? Well, if one is going to Trinidad to eat real Roti … then one should have an objective travel tool to make your experience an optimal one, never mind the fact that 93.4% of all statistics and figures are 69.12% fallacious and 4.56% buffoonery.

    Here are screenshots of the 77% roti ranking, I am going to confer on Danforth Roti Shop. Now to find some time over the weekend to write a proper review. Who said food writing was easy?

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